uk.environment.conservation

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:52:10 +0100, Malcolm
wrote:

>
>In article <66q2e35q487mgdotapbkr5njhgo8bqfgrg@4ax.com>,
>amacmil304@aol.com writes
>>On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:01:02 +0100, Malcolm
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>In article ,
>>>amacmil304@aol.com writes
>>>>On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:13:30 +0100, "BAC"
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'll get off my soap-box now :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Can I have a shot of it? :-)
>>>>
>>>>Since the introduction of the Land Reform Act and the Loch Lomond
>>>>National Park numerous areas that people previously enjoyed have had
>>>>to be closed in the evenings because of anti-social behaviour. The
>>>>lochside is now one great sea of litter including syringes, condoms,
>>>>beer cans, bottles, nappies etc. Trees are cut down for fire-wood (
>>>>they're even using chainsaws) and fires set against the bases of
>>>>trees.
>>>>
>>>>This is the reality of encouraging the public into the countryside.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The "reality" is that Loch Lomond has a shoreline in excess of 150 km
>>>(that's c.95 miles for the old folk!).
>>
>>Yes and the reality is that almost everywhere you go on the shores of
>>Loch Lomond there's rubbish and litter and only a small fraction is
>>picked up by the authorities.
>>
>Well, I'm glad you accept that the problem isn't everywhere. But perhaps
>you could tell us which places around the shores of Loch Lomond you have
>monitored for rubbish and litter? And, while you're about it, tell us
>how many of the 95 miles of shoreline you have walked in order to
>monitor this problem? Any at all?
>

I don't need to walk any of it. It's frequently reported in the local
papers and complained about by locals. And, while you're about it,
tell us how many of the 95 miles of shoreline you have walked in order
to monitor this problem? Any at all?


>>>
>>>Would Angus like to tell us exactly what proportion of that 150 km of
>>>lochside is "one great sea of litter". A half, a quarter, or perhaps
>>>only a tiny fraction?
>>
>>See above.
>>
>So you can't say. I didn't think you would be able to defend your
>attempt at gross exaggeration.

No Malcolm. It's common knowledge as is the sewage trail known as the
West Highland Way.

>
>>>
>>>And perhaps Angus is conveniently failing to remember the frequent
>>>gatherings of young people which used to take place, well before the
>>>Land Reform Act and the creation of the National Park, around the old
>>>pools north of Arden House, now being turned into a golf course. There
>>>were exactly the same complaints of syringes, condoms, fires, etc.,
>>>there as he is complaining about now. Or in other words, he is blaming
>>>the new legislation for something which existed well before it.
>>
>>So are many other people.
>>
>Do you agree there were serious problems at those pools before the
>legislation and the creation of the NP?

The serious problems started after the LRA and NP and not at the
pools.which are being developed for yet another golf course. Now the
whole lochside is the problem.

Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
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www.con-servation.org.uk

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First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
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